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Trog the only issue with spammers is sometimes ( i know i do ) i get buffs and the best attacking spell from a spell level and spam that ( with sorc ) and if im sorc i just get the insta death+ a powerful spell if im wiz im gonna use more of a variety but i hate wizards
09-19-2006, 06:08 PM
JYAP
Wizards>J00. And you know it.
09-19-2006, 06:34 PM
Halfwingseen
Sorc> wizard in mage duel______PVM wizard > sorc
PVP Situation depends but 90% of time sorc> wiz
09-19-2006, 07:08 PM
Almuric
Unless the player is really good. Then it wont matter what whether he's a wiz or sorc. :)
09-19-2006, 07:13 PM
JYAP
Wizards get a higher DC than Sorcs and can get more skill points than Sorcs,which can go into something useful like Hide/MS or Spot/Listen. Sorcs get better persuade skills and stuff,but you never see that used in PvP.
09-20-2006, 01:33 PM
Protoss119
One reason why Wizzies would make good anti-sneaks, melee sneaks in particular. If you stay in one place with Greater Stoneskin on while a CSer attacks you, chances are that CSer is gonna attack in the same place over and over again. So just Ice Storm the place he's attacking at and he should get hit.
Also, Wizzies learn spells faster than Sorcs so getting Stoneskin + Ice Storm is possible, thus creating a possible anti-CSer. For some odd reason, however, I use Sorcs more. Probably because of more casts per day.
09-20-2006, 02:00 PM
Halfwingseen
Wizards DC only is in effect with a School of magic.
That same concept works with Sorc's Toss and usually better because of the sheer number of spells
Sorc's get amazing Taunt
60% spell failure with -6 AC FTW
beat that with a Wizard
Also Sorc Synergize with many different classes
( barbarian/Paladin/blackguard/CoT/RDD/pale master )
What do wizards get? Assassins if they want to try and get decent AB
( why barbarian you ask? DC for some of the better rage involves the taunt skill making sorcerer a nice choice )
09-20-2006, 04:25 PM
Protoss119
Yeah, but Wizzies can get more skill points so they can fill in Concentration, Spellcraft, Tumble, Listen, AND spot. Sorcs only get one of the cross-class skills to fill in. That is, Sorcs & Wizzies with the average intelligence. Wizzies need the listen/spot for detecting the melee-sneaks but you're right, you can use either Sorcs or Wizzies for rooting out CSers. Problem is, it takes a L8 Sorc to do it, and since it's so hard to level in EW...
Of course, in EB, there's no problem.
09-20-2006, 06:19 PM
JYAP
Why the hell do you need Taunt? You just lost 2 spells(if hasted)if you even bother doing it. It's better on a melee guy.
Multiclassing Barbarian gives you 10% extra move and the ever-useful-when-remembered rage. That's it.
Paladin's like the best option for multiclassing for the saves. You lose a few levels for awesome saves. Totally worth it IMO.
Blackguard? You kidding me boy?
Champion of Torm. Wow. Just...Wing,think about that for a second and see why that's a bad idea.
RDD is best left to Bard/melee multiclassers. Sorcs get lousy hit dice and bard song+curse song>level 3 spells IMO.
Pale Master? Meh. Interesting proposition actually. Just one thing though: Wizard gets the much-needed skill points from his high intelligence and can use Pale Master more effectively. Granted,Sorc gets simple weapons,but that's why you take a level of fighter and cram those points Wizzie has been saving into Discipline.
09-21-2006, 05:22 PM
Halfwingseen
RDD+PM+Sorc = +360 HP by last lvl..very nice
Multiclassing barbarian gievs you a 48 DC on your terrifying rage ( which gives you fear if you come in range 48 DC will save >fighter/rogue/cleric/everything )
along with the fact the 18 sorc lvls can help you take down any mage you see
the bonus 8 HP/lvl + 4 HP/lvl for rage
total of 480 HP bonus AAND
to take down anything u cant with spells Buffed up Barbarian lvls!
COT gives you ( without true strike ) + 29 AB and + 26 Damage
add + 5 to all saves then flame wep/blackstaff/gretaer magic/true strike OR tensers transform
and you get +1d4+10 +31 damage
and + 54 AB
Bam owned anything doesnt it
and Taunt + deaf and you got a 100% failure on non silent spells but a 60% on silent ^^